Monday, January 21, 2008

Peering arrangements, part 2..and ads at WHOIS records!

This is interesting, suddenly my blog has raised substantial interest..

Now I've heard another version of the Nebula vs. Eunet peering story. According to this, the choice for Nebula to peer with Eunet at Stockholm is totally Nebula's decision. Oh well. From an old network geek viewpoint, for two finnish ISP:s peering at Stockholm is really funny. Ten years ago that would have been financially impossible.

I guess I haven't heard the final version on this one. :)

Then something completely different. Just noticed that Network Solutions has started to place ad slots to WHOIS records. Let's have a look at record of, the American Registry of Internet Numbers for example:

American Registry for Internet Numbers
3635 Concord Parkway, Suite 200
Chantilly, VA 20151

Domain Name: ARIN.NET

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Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Ryanczak, Matt
American Registry for Internet Numbers

..and so on. It seems that this started today. Just wondering how many scripts go bonkers around the globe because of this.

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Sunday, January 20, 2008

Does it really make sense for finnish ISP:s to peer at Stockholm?

While debugging a website problem (not my own) I discovered an interesting rift among Nebula and Eunet(Elisa) IP peering. They don't want to talk to each other on finnish soil. See yourself:

3 ( 1.537 ms 1.571 ms 1.544 ms
4 ( 9.199 ms 8.853 ms 10.071 ms
5 ( 10.810 ms 8.677 ms 8.748 ms
6 ( 11.268 ms 8.686 ms 8.592 ms
7 ( 8.999 ms 8.928 ms 8.889 ms
8 ( 8.845 ms 9.069 ms 9.058 ms

When discussing this at a popular network people hangout IRC channel, I understood that
Eunet has offered substantial increases in their transit pricing. OK, I understand transit is a commercial game, but domestic peering at FICIX is another. I don't see the business logic for Eunet to peer with Nebula at Stockholm. It costs them money in their own international capacity to Stockholm, too.

When the breakup happened, there was some spectacular round-the-world paths visible. Here is one example.

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